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  • https://www.readdcentertainment.com/Batman-Teenage-Mutant-Ninja-Turtles-II-2017-1/digital-comic/T1763500015001?ref=c2l0ZS9pbmRleC9kZXNrdG9wL2xhcmdlQ2Fyb3VzZWw

    Just confirmed another IDW Publishing/DC Comics crossover with Batman and the Ninja Turtles had just begun. Wanted to give you the heads up.

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  • We've sort of been skating around this issue for some time, but perhaps it's time we discussed it formally. Historically, when comics story articles needed a comic cover or comic page for their top picture, that cover was displayed at 250px wide. And this makes perfect sense...if your desktop resolution is still 1024x768. But my past few computers' resolutions have all been 1600x900. And, to be frank, 250px images look uncomfortably tiny on this screen (sometimes I have to squint), so I've been setting these page top images to be 400px wide. If 250px was approximately 1/4 the width of a 1024px-wide display, then 400px is exactly 1/4 the width of a 1600px-wide display. I would like your permission to keep maintaining comic cover/page top images to be 400px wide. This is a question of ensuring article pages look like they were written for the PCs of 2017, not the PCs of 2007. It just seems more reasonable to ask people with older PCs to zoom out as needed with Ctrl "-" than it is to ask people with modern PCs to zoom in as needed with Ctrl "+". As for mobile browser displays, the image width is moot because mobile-friendly pages zoom more variably, and Wikia's mobile site gives editors far less control over markup behavior anyway.

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      Sometimes I'm not sure what your point is, honestly. Ya ramble a bit into other topics.
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    • That's fair, I do have a tendency to ramble, and I may be pathologically incapable of brevity in personal correspondence. Is there any one point you want me to clarify? The second paragraph of my previous response seems most on-topic.

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  • Thanks for helping out. I'd have edited more, discussed here more, but I've been dealing with Thanksgiving food coma.

    What should we do about the issue 4 Zoo Amsterdam cameos? So far I only created Splinter (Zoo Amsterdam) (an admittedly conjectural title) since he has a couple lines of dialogue and functions as an ctual plot device. But I decided not to make articles for the other nine cameos until I discussed it with you first. I mean, I understand that, to some degree, they function as sight gags. But how to treat them? As cameos of characters from other continuities? Or cameos of Zoo Amsterdam versions of their characters? I mean, obviously, they're implied to be Zoo Amsterdam natives, given that April's shown as a cat and Jack Marlin's shown as a crocodile. But is it okay to give them articles, even very short ones?

    Also, not all the cameos are made to resemble classic TMNT versions. Manmoth and Wingnut more resemble their IDW versions, with Manmoth's broken tusk, and Wingnut's face being a much closer match to IDW than Archie.

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    • The S wrote: If only there were a place on the internet where you could reference such things... :D

      Yeah, I actually try to forget they exist.

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    • Aww :(

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  • I added this trivia bullet. The implications are politically explosive to certain readers, but the timing is also very real. I'm actually rather shocked IDW went there, though it's not the first time a TMNT comic has contained or alluded to delicate political issues—Stephen Murphy used to do that all the time, and IDW has withheld reprinting some of his Archie TMNT issues (like The Black Stone) because of it.

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    • ok

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    • Another heads-up. Stump (IDW) expanded with plot and trivia. Some overt parodies seem to be harder to get away with today (I'm guessing because of Viacom's more complicated corporate interests) than they were in the Archie and Mirage days, so this subtler parody almost flew under my radar...until I discovered that the Archie version of Stump was specifically designed as a parody of a certain public figure at a time when he was a much more marginal topic of discussion than he is today. This makes File:Stump's testimony.jpg an even more explosive parody than I first realized. Shameless super-wealthy pop culture personality, merrily engaging in corrupt real estate dealings, selling out his entire people to a hostile foreign entity, and his own unfiltered mouth making him a liability to his partners. Wow. The Archie version only parodied his pop culture personality.

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    • I'm thinking. Characters like Stump raise questions of whether categories like Category:Allies (IDW) and Category:Villains (IDW) are even fitting. Stump is both an ally of convenience (who then proves himself a complete liability), but he's also responsible (along with Krang) for the genocide of his own people, for which his only regret is that he didn't get paid more money. So he's an ally, but not an ally, but then does something cooperative, but isn't actually an asset...sort of? Meanwhile, everyone with a conscience is disgusted by the fruits of him completely lacking one.

      It seems the general assumption on this wiki is that a character can be neither an ally nor villain, but that they can't be both an ally and villain at the same time. There's already been confusion on 2012 TV series articles where characters who are Former Villains (like Takeshi (2012 TV series)) are then classified as Allies by virtue of no longer being antagonists (I reverted one such edit when I pointed out that non-aggression isn't necessarily alliance). I also question whether "Villain" is an appropriate distinction anymore, especially when a story becomes so complex and its characters so grey that the distinction between hero and villain no longer seems suitable. In my judgment, Stump is very unambiguously villainous for his act of genocide alone.

      But it is also my opinion that many characters classified as villains, are actually merely antagonists. Already, after I set apart the MNT Gaiden Wiki, I ditched "villain" categories altogether and now classify characters who oppose the protagonists as Category:Antagonists. While a distinction of "villain" may be adequate for works for younger audiences where the storytelling style tends to stick to a simpler fantasy dichotomy of good vs. evil, it may be completely inappropriate to conflate villainy with antagonism, especially in TMNT works written for older audiences who have a better grasp of moral grey areas.

      • Karai (Mirage) is arguably a villain of some kind, but not an antagonist; she still has numerous shady dealings, but has enough personal honor to uphold a treaty with the turtles.
      • Baxter Stockman (IDW) is now an ally, but is unquestionably a great evil, which the story has repeatedly reminded the audience.
      • The same could probably be said of Old Hob, who is not only a shaky ally, but a protagonist of the Mutanimals miniseries, and is either an ally or antagonist depending on his attitude and vendetta towards a given individual. When Slash (IDW) recognized that Hob's morality was broken and wasn't easily going to be fixed, he was no longer Hob's ally (though not an enemy), but he was still Hob's friend. There comes a point when ally, villain, antagonist and protagonist all seem situationally moot, and the simplest designation is "carries baggage." XD
      • It could be said that Pimiko is often an antagonist, but not quite a villain.
      • The same could be said of Hamato Miwa (2012 TV series) with her greatly fluctuating antagonism.

      But yeah...I think I was trying to make a point here, but it got me thinking about lots of things. At one point I almost went on a tangent about conversational troping and Dungeons & Dragons-style character alignment tables applied to characters in other works of fiction (Chaotic Neutral, Lawful Evil, etc.). But my thoughts are already cluttered and scatterbrained enough at the moment as it is. Anyway, I think I've made enough of a cogent point to work on.

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    • Yeah the categories aren't the best and I'm not 100% fond of them. But like... the D&D thing would just be confusing. Most people don't even know how those apply to most characters, and some who *do* think they do, don't.

      I just would leave characters who don't really fit as either without a category, at least for the time being.

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  • Not relevant to the page you edited, but some of the official TMNT comic artists, like Mateus Santolouco and Sophie Campbell, use deviantART as an artistic outlet. So if they post reference art there (and they have), then those pages can be cited as a reference.

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  • Hello, I just want to clarify that the images that you deleted I did not upload it, they were there and I only accommodated them, only one of you eliminated
    just to not have misunderstandings because two months ago someone believed that I uploaded similar images that were already there long ago, even before I created an account

    I just wanted to clarify hehehehehehe
    have a good night

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  • Since the 2012 TV series is ending, and there are no new TMNT movies right now, and the IDW comics have for the most part been really good lately and keeps going on stronger than ever, I'm thinking that if the time comes in the near future to update the wiki's decor, perhaps it could be more IDW-themed?

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  • Make back Turtles Warriors page for two minutes, please. I must copy and send it to the Fanon Turtlepedia.

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  • Will there be a TMNT soundtrack? I really want one, but I don't know if there even is one!

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