In Bat in the Belfry, it was shown (and mentioned) that to the 2012 TMNT series, Wingnut and Screwloose are fictional comic book superheroes, as in, they aren't actually real. So they can't be alien if they aren't even real.
Because they're from another planet. If Michelangelo suddenly zapped out of the cartoon and into our world, his species would still be "Sentient Cartoon Turtle" or whatever the analogue of what was written on W&S's would be... his species would still be Mutant Turtle.
The "coming from a comic book" thing would be an origin, not a species.
Donatello and Screwloose described them as images brought to life from a page, and obviously, we saw that happen too as they were literally pulled from the pages of that comic book. Species describes what they actually are (in the Turtle reality), not what the canon of the characters' comic book portrays them to be.
And... no. If Mikey were suddenly zapped into our reality from the show and was alive, he would not be a "Mutant Turtle" in our reality. He would be a fictional character model created by CGI animation software and was somehow brought to life. He's not a real being, so he would not be a mutant or a turtle in the real world. Just a sentient fictional character that looks like a Mutant Turtle. If we were to describe him in literal terms of the real world, that is what he is.
You gave your reasoning for why you thought yours made sense. You didn't explain why my reasoning "makes zero sense." If that were true, there would be an easy way to explain why. "My opinion is right, and yours makes no sense"? Yeah, that's not how arguments work, you have to explain why mine is faulty.
Furthermore, I think the reason you think mine is wrong is because you're counting the comic book to another dimension (and I can see why), but judging by what was seen and directly stated in the episode, nothing in the comic book is real, in any dimension, as far as we know at least. And last I checked, "robot" or "spirit" wasn't a species either, but we have it listed as one on every robot and spirit's page. Why should this be any different?
And ok. I thought a poll on a discussion thread would make more sense, but sure I'll ask him/her.
UltimateTitan6 its because it's science. Not an opinion. There is either a right answer or a wrong answer based on the facts. I gave you what you asked for but The S seems right it makes "zero sense" in any context to call a comic character a species.
Sorry about chiming in here but I believe that both The S and Farceface are correct, sentient comic character wouldn't be a species, sure they could come from a comic book or whatever but they would still be an alien bat/mosquito from a comic book/their world. Also it doesn't really matter if Farceface saw the episode or not you already told him the information that he needed to know in order to give you his response on his message wall.
Trigger009 wrote: Sorry about chiming in here but I believe that both The S and Farceface are correct, sentient comic character wouldn't be a species, sure they could come from a comic book or whatever but they would still be an alien bat/mosquito from a comic book/their world.
But that's the thing though, they're not from another world and they don't have their own life in the comics. They're literally pieces of a comic book page that came to life. It's just like in Toy Story when Buzz thought he was actually a space ranger but in reality he was just a toy. And he came to accept that later on, just like how Wingnut and Screwloose acknowledged that they weren't real later on in the episode.
It was stated (repeatedly) in the episode that they weren't real, and therefore had no life before April's Aeon Crystal brought them to life. And the book they came from was not established to be anything more than a regular old comic book, not a another dimension/universe that they're from.
Farceface wrote: UltimateTitan6 its because it's science. Not an opinion. There is either a right answer or a wrong answer based on the facts. I gave you what you asked for but The S seems right it makes "zero sense" in any context to call a comic character a species.
The literal factual definition of species is "any of a group of living organisms consisting of similar individuals capable of exchanging genes or interbreeding." Robots and spirits are not that, sentient or not, so it also makes "zero sense" in any context to call them a species too. But we list them as such on their pages, anyway. I understand that sentient fictional comic book characters are not a species, but we already describe other things on this wiki as species that are clearly not.
April's crystal created them with it's weird mystical power. They didn't come from any alternate world or such, they came from the crystal. The book was just reference.
I did watch and it seems like it is not confirmed whether they are thought-forms or if they actually exist somewhere in the multiverse and were brought to that one. I think Donatello was hypothesizing of what they were.
But the way you wrote it based on the page seems like the best way. That way both their status as Aliens and as comic characters are notated.
Farceface wrote: I am glad we could come to an understanding.
The way you wrote it based on the page seems like the best way. That way both their status as Aliens and as comic characters are notated.
Same. I think that is the best way to put it.
Farceface wrote: I did watch and it seems like it is not confirmed whether they are thought-forms or if they actually exist somewhere in the multiverse and were brought to that one. I think Donatello was hypothesizing of what they were.
Still though, the way everyone (including themselves eventually) kept saying that W&S "aren't real" or are "made up characters" leads me to believe that it's very unlikely that alternate dimensions have anything to do with it.
It's easy to just assume that the comic book is another dimension because of all of the dimension-hopping the turtles do in this show, but that doesn't always apply to some of the weird things that happen in it.
Hi The S, there's this guy that keeps deleting my article Foot Clan Resistance; Karai's part of the foot clan. Because of this User I need to undo he's deletion, he's vandalizing my stuff. This User is Ultimate Titan6. Please do something about it I can't keep undoing his deletion candidates. Thanks in advance The S.
He put on the page that the reformed Foot Clan are a "Splinter group" when Splinter has no knowledge these ninjas exist for all we know. Plus, Karai is in full control of the Foot Clan now, being the leader of the Foot Ninjas, wearing the Kuro Kabuto, and taking over Shredder's lair. If there is a resistance force, it is Shredder and his six mutants. He doesn't even have foot bots anymore.
I would say UltimateTitan is right. It's not a "Foot Clan Resistance", it's the Foot Clan, period.
But UltimateTitan, that's not what splinter group means. A splinter group is a small version of any organization that has split off from the main one, often with different goals. It has nothing to do with sensei.
But it still doesn't apply. Shredder's not in charge of the Foot anymore at all so it's not a splinter group of the Foot. Karai leads (at least the US branch) of the Foot lock, stock, and barrel.
Shredder isn't leading anything at the moment, especially since he's bedridden. So far, Shredder's henchman have been acting on their own doing missions they think will help him. The only reason his mutants are still with him is because they are loyal to him, not because they are still part of his clan. And they may have been Foot Clan members before, but they left the city along with Shredder so they lost their status too when Karai took over. So I think it makes more sense to call Shredder's small group "Shredder's forces."
Karai has either destroyed or taken over every bit of Foot property Shredder has, taken over the all of the Foot ninjas, and currently wears the Kuro Kabuto which Shredder says that only the leader of the Foot must wear. So that prety much clinches the fact that she runs the Foot Clan now.
@The S By the way, thanks for the info on splinter groups. I know what they are now.
How do we know Karai has taken over all of the Foot Ninja? All we know is that Shinigami recruited some new mercenaries from Japan, and how do we know that Karai's helmet is the Kuro Kabuto? Leonardo described it as "a version of his helmet" not actually his helmet.
We know Karai is in control of all the Foot Ninja because she is the only one with Foot Ninja at all. When Shredder was in control, he replaced all of his human Foot Ninja with Foot Bots, and now that his factory is destroyed, even his number of Footbots are limited.
As for the Kuro Kabuto, I guess Leo's statement is really left up to interpretation. What I believe he meant was that she was wearing the helmet a different way, i.e. without the face plate.
I think the fact that Splinter knocked it off Shredder's head with nobody seen picking it up, as well as the fact that the helmet has not been seen in Shredder's current hideout supports my assumption.
I would say if anything, if you REALLY want to call what Shredder has as the Foot Clan, HIS group, ironically, would be the splintered off group. Think about it: If you, Billy, Shannon, Dikembe, and Bob started a group called the Fish-Sharks, and Shannon kicked out the rest of you, she would be the one running Fish-Sharks and either you would have to start your own group or make your own Fish-Sharks with blackjack and indivduals of ill repute.
If you REALLY want to, I was thinking back when City of War aired, about having Foot Clan (Saki's) (2012 TV series) and Foot Clan (Karai's) (2012 TV series). I ultimately decided not to go through with it for no real reason. Or, we can just leave it all as one article and notate the changes.
Hi, I'd like to let you know that the character section for the 2012 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles needs to be updated with the information up to now. As it is locked so that administrators can edit it, I was wondering if you can add the information needed like Gwendoline Yeo voicing Shinigami.
This isn't a wiki question, but a Technodrome Forums question. As you probably know, Goku made more dumb accounts and got banned. ToTheNines and GoldMutant think my account (still pending) is a Goku account, but I've never met Goku and am a different person. Can you back me up on the forum? Thanks.
In the few years I've been on this wiki, it's been my understanding that "allies" referred to an overall group of mutual allies. As in, the allied faction, a.k.a. "any one of the various good guys." With members of that faction each having a protagonistic element, they are all each other's allies. This is especially meaningful when stories focus less on one of the four turtles themselves and more on a supporting character, such as Slash (The Meeting of the Mutanimals), April (White Horses), Karai (The Amulet), etc. This is especially common in the various comics, where characters can be more of an ensemble and the story's focus and character development can be passed around.
And if the four turtles can't be considered "allies," then it would seem to be that neither could April O'Neil, nor Casey Jones, nor Splinter, nor Shadow Jones, but then we ask ourselves "where do we draw the line?" When the very importance of characters themselves can ebb and flow, and when they seem more "main" sometimes and more "marginal" at others, the very distinction starts seeming arbitrary. If one were to say Splinter or April can't be considered main characters, then it can spark a pointless avoidable debate.
It is simpler just to see "allies" as the overall group of each other's allies, including the central protagonists. Any other definition seems unnecessarily arbitrary and idiosyncratic.
Another thing to consider, is that if it's just about who are allies to the turtles, then depending on the story, the four turtles don't always maintain the same set of allies, which led to categories like Allies of Leonardo Hamato (MNT Gaiden). Another example is Michelangelo (Mirage) and his new genocidal Triceraton allies (like T'Zirk), and sometime back I added that Michelangelo to Villains (Mirage) because he's become a genocidal maniac who's committing mass murders of innocents out of sheer revenge. Then there's characters like Shadow Jones (Mirage), who may or may not be fated to become a villain and actually stop being an ally, and with her Uncle Raphael (Mirage) slated to gradually go insane in just about every Mirage TMNT future story, he's gradually becoming a wild card character too. Michelangelo (IDW) also left his family (technically he's still not part of their new venture), and though they share many of the same allies, they aren't necessarily sharing all the same allies, either. TMNT stories don't always have trivial black-and-white character dynamics of good vs. evil, and that great moral grey area is actually one of the things that can make them even more interesting.
To more directly answer your question:
Why would a turtle qualify as their own ally?
The answer is:
Leonardo is an ally of Donatello, Raphael and Michelangelo.
Donatello is an ally of Leonardo, Raphael and Michelangelo.
Raphael is an ally of Leonardo, Donatello and Michelangelo.
Michelangelo is an ally of Leonardo, Donatello and Raphael.
As a group, they are among "the allies," which also include the other allies they can rely upon, including Splinter, April, Casey and so forth.
Eh, sorry for the flurry of comments. Your rationale really caught me off-guard, is all, since it's the first I've heard it since I registered here in December 2013.
All right. Sorry for my burst of anxiety there. XD I can get OCD about data-keeping conventions, as you've noticed. (Okay, so this isn't a crisis. I suppose I'm on edge after the effects of the panic attack I had Monday. It's never fun to feel the rug pulled out from under me, especially when it comes to data-keeping conventions.)
Now, I've consolidated my multiple initial comments into just one post (nothing has been removed), and I've expressed many of my reservations about your allies categorization rationale there. I could say more, but I think that has to be it for right now, because I'm decidedly too high-strung at the moment.
Actually, I can add something informationally, rather than an argument for or against something:
Since I came on this wiki, virtually all the articles on the four turtles have been categorized as allies. I had good reason to assume this was always meant to be the case. I'm actually genuinely surprised you were against that, because those articles have been so-categorized for years now.
Yeah I see it this way (sorry to keep using other comics as example but... whatevs)
The turtles are the main characters. The allies are their well.. allies. Of themselves as a whole and individually (like April to all of them, or just Lucindra to Raph, etc.) Or even allies of allies like Kenya Leavitt.
So on an X-Men Wiki, for an article on Spider-Man he would be an ally. But it'd silly to have Cyclops as an ally. Or in the case of Fantastic Four, Johnny Storm wouldn't be one.
Now if it was one for a singular protagonist: i.e. Spider-Man himself, or let's say Batman... everyone who isn't the main character himself and helps out would be fair game.
Wait, where are you getting that the Turtles had been classified as Allies since before you got here? The only ones that are listed as such are the Amazing Adventures ones and Don and Raph of Mirage and you were the ones that added them.
I mean, in the articles that were already here when I started editing heavily in 2004. When I started writing Amazing Adventures articles, I wrote them by analogy of other series' articles that already existed. It was a logical approach. AA main turtle articles are categorized as allies because other series main turtle articles have also been categorized as allies for quite some time.
You know...2012 TV series, Mirage, Archie, etc. I wouldn't be able to remember exact perfect examples years later, but I'm sure they all have edit histories. My point is, a pattern was already established for me to accept and carry on.
Ahh, much better. (Don't ask how I calmed myself down. XD)
Now. It seems to me that the criteria for "allies" will have to be clarified, and—if necessary—renegotiated, perhaps on a per-continuity basis.
In continuities where the four turtles always act as a fantasy team of good vs. evil (perhaps in some of the children's series), perhaps the assumption of "the turtles" having a united set of allies can hold.
In continuities that are less about good vs. evil and more about the lives of character ensembles and grey decision-making, the same assumption seems naïve. This is especially true when turtles sometimes maintain different (even contradictory) pools of allies from each other, and also depending on whether Splinter, April, Casey, etc. are to be considered integral central protagonists with equal importance to the four turtles themselves. Where TMNT becomes more slice-of-life, more film noir, more ambiguous morality, the question of who is an ally is never more complicated. I'm reminded of this exchange in Mirage's City at War:
Raph: What are you saying, Leo? ...We should ally ourselves with the damned Foot Clan? Leo: I'm simply asking you to consider it as an option. Raph: But... We've been at war with them for years! They're our freakin' blood enemies! Leo: Are they? If so, why? Think about it...think back. We're in this because... Because... Mike: ...Because of Master Splinter. Leo: Exactly, Mike. This is his war. Since we were children, Master Splinter taught us, trained us for one thing: To avenge the death of his master, Hamato Yoshi. Since that day—when we first killed the Shredder the threat of the Foot has circumscribed our lives...and through us, Casey's and April's lives, too. Who can blame them for wanting to leave? I know I can't. But now... ...Now we have, with Karai's proposal, an opportunity... A chance to break this chain of vengeance and death... And reclaim our lives. Mike: Leo... What would Splinter say? Leo: I'm unsure... I would gladly die for him...but... ...I don't know if I can give him my life. Don: Leo... We—We must honor Master Splinter. He is our sensei! Leo: I know, Don... Believe me, I know... Raph: Aren't you being a little naive, Leo? As if helping the Foot this one time is gonna change things—! They'll still be there... Doin' what they've always done... Don: Raph's right. These years... I don't think we've fought the Foot just for the sake of Master Splinter. We fight them because they are evil! Leo: Is it really that simple, Don? Is life just black and white? Look, guys—we're not society's saviors. I mean, we've never really gone looking for trouble—the Foot has brought the fight to us. I, for one, would love not having to constantly look over my shoulder...
This changed the tone for the entire rest of the series. They weren't fighters of good vs. evil. They weren't superheroes—in reality, they never were. They were people trying to live their lives and to survive in an already difficult world. From then on, their alliances would be those of practicality far more than those of black and white righteousness. And the turtles themselves would not always do good things, and they wouldn't always have the same allies as their brothers, and the stories would focus more and more on other characters who would form their own exclusive alliances, and sometimes even family would turn against family. (Then comes the question: If an "ally" is only an ally of the turtles, is an ally of April or Casey or Splinter also an "ally" even if they are not necessarily allies of the turtles? You can see how these complications can arise.)
And then there are all the edits I've given the MNT Gaiden articles. MNT Gaiden, despite not being an official publication, deeply resonates with a certain long-established TMNT fan interest that Mirage explored to a smaller extent but the TV shows and even IDW could never completely satisfy, especially now under Viacom's market-image-oriented scrutiny—taking the noir lives of TMNT characters to their logical, dark conclusions, and making damn good drama in the process. And one of the first things you'll notice about its associated allies category, is that Donatello (MNT Gaiden) is not an ally—not because he's one of the turtles, but because he's actually an antagonist and struggling with some pretty horrifying mental illness, only partially caused by his curse, and partially in him all along. Mirage TMNT had much smaller hints of this, but seldom had characters like Don or Casey being arguably evil for more than a page or two. (The most they've done so far is with Michelangelo or Shadow Jones and their eager embrace of their dark sides.)
If there are ever officially-licensed TMNT works (under Viacom) that are allowed to go in such a grey direction, then the assumption of "the allies of the turtles" will most definitely not be a valid assumption. There is evidence that Kevin Eastman has actually tried to, to some extent, with IDW TMNT, but was vetoed by Viacom. And my friends like to discuss how even some of the IDW TMNT characters seem to be surrogates for main characters in ways they'd be considered likely to develop if Viacom might actually allow it; for example, Old Hob seems to be a much greyer, more morally ambiguous expy of Raphael (IDW).
Anyway, my point being, when you delve into the world of truly adult TMNT fans, divorced from the fandom of both kids and of adults who are nostalgic about what they liked as kids, then all sorts of common assumptions about the nature of the TMNT franchise no longer hold. (Even my one-time interest in 2K12 was more about its one-time strong Mirage fan appeal than for any of its kid's appeal, which is why I went from fan to critic in such a hard way during season 3.) I hope these things can help illustrate where I'm coming from as an editor.
I'd also like to make it a point (this is a topic segue, BTW) that I don't readily compare TMNT to superhero comics, because in my core TMNT interest—Mirage TMNT—they were decidedly not superheroes. (To be honest, I'm not interested in superhero comics, and neither are my brothers, nor some of my friends, but we all like Mirage TMNT, especially for its slice-of-life stories, à la True Stories.) Often, when terrible things were going on around them, they'd just shrug and keep going, because they were not heroes.
Even the whole "heroes in a half-shell" thing was a legacy of the kid-friendly superhero-oriented Fred Wolf, not of Mirage. Even where Mirage TMNT had superhero characters (and the premise originally parodied some superhero comics' elements), the turtles themselves were decidedly excluded from this category, especially when they ponder their sheer mortality and resolve, like in City at War, that they are not heroes but just people trying to find peaceful lives. Early volume 4 drives this point home further, where actual superheroes are doing all sorts of heavy-lifting, and the turtles are largely spectators just like any ordinary human.
In many TMNT continuities, the turtles are genuinely heroes, but this is not an assumption that can always be made. That is why I don't make it a habit of comparing the established fleshed-out Mirage TMNT series to Marvel comics, DC comics, etc.
Hardly. These are the kinds of discussions I have with my brothers and friends. :) This is part of what makes adult TMNT stuff fun to read—to analyze afterwards.
One thing you have to realize is that there is plenty of TMNT that is intentionally deeply thought-provoking and encourages this kind of of analysis. It's a feast for well-read literati geeks. That is where I'm coming from. :)
One of my brothers is a university professor with a doctorate in rhetoric. My other brother is a very well-read intellectual who works in a bookstore and has a deep appreciation for the sciences. None of us has an IQ below 130. And all three of us have a special fondness for what adult TMNT literature brings to the table. My professor brother found my Turtlepedia user page and read its walls of text top to bottom, and found it very enlightening. These are the kinds of TMNT fans we are.
What you said was unclear. Your "disagree with the discussions" seems either overly vague or overly broad. Are there specific points you disagree with? (Many different points are raised in discussion and analyzed. Not all of them are a matter of agree vs. disagree, either.) Or is it that you disagree with having the discussions, or that you don't want to participate in such a discussion (which is a personal choice)?
But as for choosing a clearer, more inclusive term, that's something I can help with:
Protagonists might work, but then there's some disagreement whether it can apply to "all the good guys" or just to one "good guy". Still, an advantage of "protagonist" is not defined as specifically good or evil.
When I wikied "good guys" on Wikipedia, it redirected me to hero (hence heroes), but I realized I wasn't sure if that was what I was looking for. Many characters we'd call "good guys" don't have much of an active role in story, but clearly form part of the allied group's moral support network. I also tend to associate "hero" more specifically with a character who rescues someone; that could possibly be overly specific of me, but it's just difficult for me to call Mrs. Jones (Mirage) or Little Girl (2012 TV series) "heroes."
There's also good guys, which is just vague enough, but it also presumes that the main characters are themselves good. As seen in both Mirage TMNT and in MNT Gaiden, this is not always the case (again, Michelangelo and Shadow being Mirage TMNT examples).
There's also fellowship, which very accurately describes a group of characters in common agreement towards a goal, including heroes, allies and friends, even if not all have an active combat or active backup role.
There's also comrades, which is similar to "allies" has more of a sense of camaraderie to it. "You are my comrade. I am your comrade. We are comrades."
There's also support network, and no one would question whether an allied noncombatant is part of that.
I suppose there's also crew.
I think I'm leaning closest to "fellowship." I'd prefer "allies," but you've taken that option away.
And yes, "Antagonists" does sound better than "Villains."
Yeah, sorry for my near pathologically inability to be brief and think in a straight line. XD Not that I don't try, you understand. It runs in the family. We're all essayists who write much longer walls of text than we theoretically need to, but it expresses a much more complete picture in the process. That certainly helps with deep intellectual pursuits, but trying to simplify things is usually actually the more difficult task.
Can I ask u both something and please dont yell at me this time.
Gilgames why do you try to force the admin to do what you want?
The S why do you let him walk on you?
Any other Wiki this would be sorted in 2 seconds.
Just be glad this is not DC wiki. That guy does not post rules and he reverts every change you make without telling you why in seconds. And then when you try to get and answer its either vague or it's nonsense. He reverted an entire para graph once because he did not like just one word that I had use!
I hold discussions and try to be persuasive in my arguments. But I'm still trying to color inside the lines, and I usually accept an administrative final decision. And then, if I am overruled, I will lodge my reservations for the record.
This is not exactly any other wiki. When I first came here, I used my previous full decade of Wikipedia experience to try to open more discussion threads to build consensus for decision making. ...Most people don't respond. This site has many casual short-term users, but only a relatively small number of long-time regular users. And among the heaviest workhorses of wiki maintenance, most of are either admins, former admins, or me. When it comes to people who actually stick around for a long time and do stuff, this isn't a city, or even a quiet village—oftentimes it feels more like a few neighbors in the wilderness. I asked earlier not to be considered as an administrator, because as my Monday episode showed, I have a handful of episodes of instability, and administration requires a more stable personality to be effective.
I have asked my other TMNT fan friends why they don't get involved. And, like The S from his own experience, many don't respect this wiki—but for different reasons than The S has been told. My heavily Mirage-oriented TMNT fan friends see this wiki as more of a bland portal for the most popular annoying/kiddie stuff, so over the years I've worked hard to expand more articles on other series, especially Mirage, Palladium and MNT Gaiden which have been some of my main fan interests. For many entire sections of the wiki, most of the time, I have been the only active editor. There are so many Mirage TMNT topics that, until I paid attention to them, simply didn't exist as articles.
Since this wiki's core community of heaviest editors is such a relatively tiny community, it is my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong, The S) that The S has left a lot of the details to other editors. There have been long periods of time when he couldn't be here very often except to see make sure things are running smoothly, and honestly I can't blame him. (How's your health lately, The S?)
And as for my blowup with you, Farceface, on that Monday I was having a day-long panic attack that was already full of really manic happenings even before I encountered you. You came in and did the wrong things at the wrong time, I was probably too brusque, and then you got mad, and I pretty much lost control. I'm really very sorry about that. That three-day suspension I received was probably a good thing.
And yes, I'm very familiar that some Wikia wikis have administrators who seem to have full-fledged personality disorders. Heh, I probably even have one or another. If a wiki scares away all its fans (and TMNT fans are some of the most varied lot under the sun), it doesn't function well. So we all have to be more approachable. Most days for me aren't like Monday was.
Just be glad this is not DC wiki. That guy does not post rules and he reverts every change you make without telling you why in seconds. And then when you try to get and answer its either vague or it's nonsense. He reverted an entire para graph once because he did not like just one word that I had use!
On several fronts, I suppose. Not only did I misconstrue your intentions and statements, but on Monday I was having a pretty nasty panic attack that lasted all day. I know you said I should see a doctor—I do see doctors, and have been for most of my life. The problem with panic attacks is that they take so long to dissipate, and meanwhile I either sit and feel miserable, or I try to channel it into something productive. The problem with channeling is, in the process I become super manic, a lot more than I already usually am, hence the hastily thrown together forum thread proposal. And then when I suddenly saw a user barreling through articles and deleting categories, I had to comment on it, but I think I was a lot more brusque than I should have been. And when he became hostile towards me, it effectively boosted my panic attack, in the process destroying what clear judgment I had left.
The rest of that day was hell. The next morning was an aftershock panic attack. The next morning after that was another, smaller, aftershock panic attack. Then morning after that was more normal, and it's been flushed out of my system.
The problem with me having a panic attack, is that I can't exactly easily say I'm having one when I'm having one. They're already very unpredictable things, and advertising that I'm having one makes them even more volatile and unpredictable by adding even more variables to the mix in the way other people react to it. I can only talk about it in the open now that it's finally dissipated.
And the trigger for the first panic attack? When you told me all your frustrations. I felt really, really bad that I'd contributed to so much stress on your part. Over the past three days, it's all actually had me thinking more about my relationship to this wiki and what I should be doing in the future. But that's not the topic of this post. This is my apology, and I'm sorry for all that.
Anyway, do you remember at all me saying, a while back, that I never want to be made an admin here? (Or perhaps I told Trigger009.) The reason is because I cannot be guaranteed to be stable at all times. Most of the time, I'm fine, and edit with a bit of eager mania. But during a panic attack, the very core of my judgment is altered, and all bets are off. Fortunately, as long as no one's yelling at me, such panic attacks are relatively rare and most never involve Turtlepedia.
Hi, I would like to answer why I did my edit on Ashly Burch. It was because the link was broken and I thought that was the closest thing to an article about April there was since they were both in IDW.
Nah we're slowly building seperate articles for Mutant in Manhattan's characters 'cause it's slightly different than the actual IDW book (for one, Wingnut is an alien in the game and a mutant in the book).