i'm sorry to interject here but I think youre taking their responses and comments way to out of proportion, The S certainly was not talking down to you and Fernando Pandha did not attack you they merely responded to youre response on a thread that was far to old to continue the conversation, and they merely expressed their surprise over how old the thread is and how you're comments seemed as if it happened yesterday.
Trigger009 wrote: i'm sorry to interject here but I think youre taking their responses and comments way to out of proportion, The S certainly was not talking down to you and Fernando Pandha did not attack you they merely responded to youre response on a thread that was far to old to continue the conversation, and they merely expressed their surprise over how old the thread is and how you're comments seemed as if it happened yesterday.
I know but the way they sounded. it was like they were being hostile towards me. I now the topic was old but I was just trying to clear things up by answerng and explaing my answer to their question that's all. I know the topic was old but my god it's not like they responded back either. I mean we're all busy and I guess it got away from us all.
Mind if I ask you how you guys get those NYCC updates so quickly? I notice that Alopex's page was created early Friday, not even a full day after the panel. Or is there a way to catch a live stream of the panels?
In Bat in the Belfry, it was shown (and mentioned) that to the 2012 TMNT series, Wingnut and Screwloose are fictional comic book superheroes, as in, they aren't actually real. So they can't be alien if they aren't even real.
Because they're from another planet. If Michelangelo suddenly zapped out of the cartoon and into our world, his species would still be "Sentient Cartoon Turtle" or whatever the analogue of what was written on W&S's would be... his species would still be Mutant Turtle.
The "coming from a comic book" thing would be an origin, not a species.
Donatello and Screwloose described them as images brought to life from a page, and obviously, we saw that happen too as they were literally pulled from the pages of that comic book. Species describes what they actually are (in the Turtle reality), not what the canon of the characters' comic book portrays them to be.
And... no. If Mikey were suddenly zapped into our reality from the show and was alive, he would not be a "Mutant Turtle" in our reality. He would be a fictional character model created by CGI animation software and was somehow brought to life. He's not a real being, so he would not be a mutant or a turtle in the real world. Just a sentient fictional character that looks like a Mutant Turtle. If we were to describe him in literal terms of the real world, that is what he is.
You gave your reasoning for why you thought yours made sense. You didn't explain why my reasoning "makes zero sense." If that were true, there would be an easy way to explain why. "My opinion is right, and yours makes no sense"? Yeah, that's not how arguments work, you have to explain why mine is faulty.
Furthermore, I think the reason you think mine is wrong is because you're counting the comic book to another dimension (and I can see why), but judging by what was seen and directly stated in the episode, nothing in the comic book is real, in any dimension, as far as we know at least. And last I checked, "robot" or "spirit" wasn't a species either, but we have it listed as one on every robot and spirit's page. Why should this be any different?
And ok. I thought a poll on a discussion thread would make more sense, but sure I'll ask him/her.
UltimateTitan6 its because it's science. Not an opinion. There is either a right answer or a wrong answer based on the facts. I gave you what you asked for but The S seems right it makes "zero sense" in any context to call a comic character a species.
Sorry about chiming in here but I believe that both The S and Farceface are correct, sentient comic character wouldn't be a species, sure they could come from a comic book or whatever but they would still be an alien bat/mosquito from a comic book/their world. Also it doesn't really matter if Farceface saw the episode or not you already told him the information that he needed to know in order to give you his response on his message wall.
Trigger009 wrote: Sorry about chiming in here but I believe that both The S and Farceface are correct, sentient comic character wouldn't be a species, sure they could come from a comic book or whatever but they would still be an alien bat/mosquito from a comic book/their world.
But that's the thing though, they're not from another world and they don't have their own life in the comics. They're literally pieces of a comic book page that came to life. It's just like in Toy Story when Buzz thought he was actually a space ranger but in reality he was just a toy. And he came to accept that later on, just like how Wingnut and Screwloose acknowledged that they weren't real later on in the episode.
It was stated (repeatedly) in the episode that they weren't real, and therefore had no life before April's Aeon Crystal brought them to life. And the book they came from was not established to be anything more than a regular old comic book, not a another dimension/universe that they're from.
Farceface wrote: UltimateTitan6 its because it's science. Not an opinion. There is either a right answer or a wrong answer based on the facts. I gave you what you asked for but The S seems right it makes "zero sense" in any context to call a comic character a species.
The literal factual definition of species is "any of a group of living organisms consisting of similar individuals capable of exchanging genes or interbreeding." Robots and spirits are not that, sentient or not, so it also makes "zero sense" in any context to call them a species too. But we list them as such on their pages, anyway. I understand that sentient fictional comic book characters are not a species, but we already describe other things on this wiki as species that are clearly not.
April's crystal created them with it's weird mystical power. They didn't come from any alternate world or such, they came from the crystal. The book was just reference.
I did watch and it seems like it is not confirmed whether they are thought-forms or if they actually exist somewhere in the multiverse and were brought to that one. I think Donatello was hypothesizing of what they were.
But the way you wrote it based on the page seems like the best way. That way both their status as Aliens and as comic characters are notated.
Farceface wrote: I am glad we could come to an understanding.
The way you wrote it based on the page seems like the best way. That way both their status as Aliens and as comic characters are notated.
Same. I think that is the best way to put it.
Farceface wrote: I did watch and it seems like it is not confirmed whether they are thought-forms or if they actually exist somewhere in the multiverse and were brought to that one. I think Donatello was hypothesizing of what they were.
Still though, the way everyone (including themselves eventually) kept saying that W&S "aren't real" or are "made up characters" leads me to believe that it's very unlikely that alternate dimensions have anything to do with it.
It's easy to just assume that the comic book is another dimension because of all of the dimension-hopping the turtles do in this show, but that doesn't always apply to some of the weird things that happen in it.
Hi The S, there's this guy that keeps deleting my article Foot Clan Resistance; Karai's part of the foot clan. Because of this User I need to undo he's deletion, he's vandalizing my stuff. This User is Ultimate Titan6. Please do something about it I can't keep undoing his deletion candidates. Thanks in advance The S.
He put on the page that the reformed Foot Clan are a "Splinter group" when Splinter has no knowledge these ninjas exist for all we know. Plus, Karai is in full control of the Foot Clan now, being the leader of the Foot Ninjas, wearing the Kuro Kabuto, and taking over Shredder's lair. If there is a resistance force, it is Shredder and his six mutants. He doesn't even have foot bots anymore.
I would say UltimateTitan is right. It's not a "Foot Clan Resistance", it's the Foot Clan, period.
But UltimateTitan, that's not what splinter group means. A splinter group is a small version of any organization that has split off from the main one, often with different goals. It has nothing to do with sensei.
But it still doesn't apply. Shredder's not in charge of the Foot anymore at all so it's not a splinter group of the Foot. Karai leads (at least the US branch) of the Foot lock, stock, and barrel.
Shredder isn't leading anything at the moment, especially since he's bedridden. So far, Shredder's henchman have been acting on their own doing missions they think will help him. The only reason his mutants are still with him is because they are loyal to him, not because they are still part of his clan. And they may have been Foot Clan members before, but they left the city along with Shredder so they lost their status too when Karai took over. So I think it makes more sense to call Shredder's small group "Shredder's forces."
Karai has either destroyed or taken over every bit of Foot property Shredder has, taken over the all of the Foot ninjas, and currently wears the Kuro Kabuto which Shredder says that only the leader of the Foot must wear. So that prety much clinches the fact that she runs the Foot Clan now.
@The S By the way, thanks for the info on splinter groups. I know what they are now.
How do we know Karai has taken over all of the Foot Ninja? All we know is that Shinigami recruited some new mercenaries from Japan, and how do we know that Karai's helmet is the Kuro Kabuto? Leonardo described it as "a version of his helmet" not actually his helmet.
We know Karai is in control of all the Foot Ninja because she is the only one with Foot Ninja at all. When Shredder was in control, he replaced all of his human Foot Ninja with Foot Bots, and now that his factory is destroyed, even his number of Footbots are limited.
As for the Kuro Kabuto, I guess Leo's statement is really left up to interpretation. What I believe he meant was that she was wearing the helmet a different way, i.e. without the face plate.
I think the fact that Splinter knocked it off Shredder's head with nobody seen picking it up, as well as the fact that the helmet has not been seen in Shredder's current hideout supports my assumption.
I would say if anything, if you REALLY want to call what Shredder has as the Foot Clan, HIS group, ironically, would be the splintered off group. Think about it: If you, Billy, Shannon, Dikembe, and Bob started a group called the Fish-Sharks, and Shannon kicked out the rest of you, she would be the one running Fish-Sharks and either you would have to start your own group or make your own Fish-Sharks with blackjack and indivduals of ill repute.
If you REALLY want to, I was thinking back when City of War aired, about having Foot Clan (Saki's) (2012 TV series) and Foot Clan (Karai's) (2012 TV series). I ultimately decided not to go through with it for no real reason. Or, we can just leave it all as one article and notate the changes.
Hi, I'd like to let you know that the character section for the 2012 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles needs to be updated with the information up to now. As it is locked so that administrators can edit it, I was wondering if you can add the information needed like Gwendoline Yeo voicing Shinigami.
This isn't a wiki question, but a Technodrome Forums question. As you probably know, Goku made more dumb accounts and got banned. ToTheNines and GoldMutant think my account (still pending) is a Goku account, but I've never met Goku and am a different person. Can you back me up on the forum? Thanks.