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    I know what you are thinking right now when you saw this title. You're thinking she should stay dead and never reappear on T.V. or any movies. Now I know she wasn't recieved well because of her bad puns, terrible jokes and too many references for her character but by now I think her hatred have taken a bit too far now. For gods sake there's a petition to keep her off T.V. which is a complete waste of time and jus flat out stupid. I have no problem of adding female members to teams like this like April and Kirai (Sometimes Mona Lisa) but people wouldn't give her a chance now because of the things that happened during her appearances.

    I think she deserves a second chance because this hatred has gone long enough now plus it could go better if she was rewritten and redeveloped she would at least be more approachable. Then she would have a better chance of coming back to the screens. The TMNT 2012 show is out because she already made her cameo in there but the Michael Bay TMNT Movies might make it possible so why not; same goes for Mona Lisa.

    All I'm saying is let's be a little bit more open minded about her because I know she can be redeemed and hopefully make her a better character.

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    • Finally, someone who belives Venus should come back.

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    • Weekyle15 wrote:
      Finally, someone who belives Venus should come back.

      Exactly my friend. She's under appreciated and unlikable now.

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    • Oh, I want Venus back, too! Me and my brother!

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    • Morty340 wrote:
      Oh, I want Venus back, too! Me and my brother!

      I know right! I just think she deserves another chance.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Venus De Milo was a lame idea to begin with. I think Sophie Campbell's Artemisia is done better.

      That's because it's a fan made character and only you think so because how badly Venus was handled. That's why I think she should have a reboot. Badly written characters always get rebooted.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote: Well, the problem is, whereas "Leonardo", "Donatello", etc. were names of artists, "Venus de Milo" was the name of specific naked statue of a goddess of love, beauty and sex, and naming a character that will evoke that mental image as a first impression. It aims too directly at the fantasies of horny fanboys, discouraging them from regarding her first and foremost as someone who could actually be a complex, dignified character. Might as well name her "Fujiko" or "Molotov @#$%tease" for all the good it does. The fact that the 90s Venus de Milo was fought over by two male main characters made it even worse.

      Furthermore, the use of Venus de Milo goes into the type of TMNT I really dislike—the kind that assumes it is primarily a story by hetero guys, for hetero guys, about hetero guys, with girls functioning more as props or objects than as actual characters. And though it's not a requirement, some of my favorite TMNT stories also happen to have good portrayals of women (whether as allies or antagonists), including The Alien Agenda, Blind Sight, City at War (Mirage), Darkness Weaves, Karai's Vendetta, Mutant Ninja Turtles Gaiden, Swan Song and True Stories. Dark Shadows and White Horses also have good portrayals of women, though I thought their stories were so-so.

      What does "Artemisia" evoke? The goddess Artemis. A huntress. A capable warrior with a bow and arrow. She's neither an object nor sexless, but a balanced portrayal of a teenage girl who can also handle herself in a crisis. And no one's treating her like an object or constantly trying to hit on her. Same goes for that story's version of Alopex.

      Okay I understand that she was poorly handled during the 90s and such but that doesn't mean they should be excluded from the franchise because of it. Also just because they are named after a god or goddess, it doesn't mean they have live up to that name. They probably thought it was cool like most of the 90s was like the "Mummies Alive" cartoon for example, giving them vehicles, weapons, etc. They probably just named her that because they thought it was cool, I assume.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      It could be that I was brought up with an exposure to the arts, education and literature, but even as a teenager (when The Next Mutation aired) I knew what the Venus de Milo was. And Venus/Aphrodite has strong traditional female sexual connotations. "Venereal". "Aphrodisiac". It would be like naming a male character "Bacchus" or "Eros" and then objectifying him as fanservice. The reference is too blatant, so he'd be a joke—difficult to take seriously, let alone dignifyingly.

      Okay, you may have known that but they probably didn't back then. The 90's was a place where things were taking out of context and literal. So you couldn't expect them to be perfect back then, nobody was. So nothing was really taken seriously back then.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Some TMNT back then was stuff you could take seriously. Not that ridiculous 80s cartoon or The Next Mutation, but Mirage was putting out some very good stuff for adult readers.

      Anyway, even if some people might have possibly been ignorant of the connotations of "Venus" back then (which I really doubt), that's less difficult now, what with every word being a Google search away. "Venus de Milo" is and always was a bad idea for a character. If you're going to design a female turtle, give her a more balanced name. If not "Artemisia", then maybe something else dignifying or empowering, like "Persephone" (mythological queen underground) or "Murasaki" (an ancient novelist). Like Artemis, these are names of figures known for their roles and abilities, and not just for being the pinup models of antiquity.

      The 90's is about the same to me, just more modern at that time. 

      Yes, I am aware of that. I even mention that there was a petition to keep her off TV, movies and video games which is a total waste of time. Also that's why I mentioned that she should be rewritten and rebooted, that way she can be more approachable and a little more likeable. 

      And with people turning everything sexual for fantasies, I get that but that tends to happen to everything anyways. So you have to realize that their are people doing it for fun. The point is to not take it seriously.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      I'm familiar with Rule 34. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about something designed for sex or as a sex joke. I mean, she even had a "V" on her belt right above her V. Design a female turtle, fine. But don't name her "Venus de Milo." Ever.

      I think that might be taking out of context from what you're telling me. It's like saying "D" on Donatello's belt means a males genital. I mean if that's what you think that's fine but this kinda falls in to what I said about "Not taking it seriously". If it's intended as a sex joke from writers and desingers, fine but nobody really cares about it. Once the joke is out, it's out.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Actually, the fact that her name is "Venus" draws more attention to that. "Venus" is already a rather sexualized reference to begin with. "Donatello" is not.

      Like I said before, just because it was named after a god or goddess doesn't mean they have to live up to the name. I was just saying that as an example of what you said about her belt.

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote:
      This discussion is going in circles.

      I guess so

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    • Master DA wrote:
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      Actually, the fact that her name is "Venus" draws more attention to that. "Venus" is already a rather sexualized reference to begin with. "Donatello" is not.
      Like I said before, just because it was named after a god or goddess doesn't mean they have to live up to the name. I was just saying that as an example of what you said about her belt.

      Did you know, the names of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are not reflective of the personalities of the artists they are named after.

      Leonardo da Vinchi was the only of the 4 who was known as much for inventions as art. Donatello was arguably the leader, or certainly the initiator, of the 'Italian Renaissance' movement. Raphael was a "social butterfly." He was a fun-loving, hard-partying, and amiable guy who was said to have had many, many lovers. He may have even died of an STD. According to theory, Michelangelo had an introverted, temperamental, and brooding personality. Thus, if the male turtles don't live up to their names, then why should Venus. Plus, Venus de Milo was a nickname. Her real name was Mei Pei Chi, and this wiki has the translations of those names, and they are either empowering or statements of fact.

      Plus, if Bayonetta has taught me anything, female sexiness can be very empowering. Venus de Milo can have that name and still be an empowered female character, she just hasn't had that in the past. I think that that is why she needs a revival. I think she is a good idea that everyone hates because of botched execution. And there are plenty of other examples of that in TMNT history.

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    • Just as an example, here is a story i conceptualized for a 2012 show style introduction of Venus, and the story surrounding her. She was the turtle's sister from the pet store that Hamato Yoshi did not buy. Instead, she was bought by Dr. Perri Grey (from the archie comics), a veteranarian who gave her the name Venus de Milo. The turtles descover this and decide to have a family reunion of sorts, when Donatello gets an alert that Hun and the Purple Dragons are highjacking an armored car filled with Mutagen, and by sheer coincidence the car's rout will take it pass Dr. Grey's house. She takes Venus with her to observe from the shadows. The turtles battle Hun and his goons, knocking him into the cargo the Dragon's were atempting to steal, sending mutagen canisters everywhere (this accident also happend to mutate Hun into a turtle, but that's not important), including over Dr. Grey (who mutates into a Flying Squirrel she was caring for in her clinic) which causes her to drop Venus into the sewers, mutagen following. The Dragon's drive the unconsious mutant Hun away, the turtles tend to Perri Grey, and Venus mutates into humanoid form in the sewers, thinking that her "mother" was killed in the accident, and blaming the turtles for it (Like what happened to Slash, the mutagen messed with her mind). The episode ends with John Kommodus, CEO of Go-Kommodo Sports Manufacturing, and self-proclaimed Dragon Lord, is informed by one of his Rank that his mutagen was hijacked and that the entire payload was lost, including the "Special" cannister. We then cut to Venus in the sewers again, where she begins to glow with chi energy.

      In the next episode of this mini-series, the Turtles begin looking for Venus in the sewers, but the Dragon Lord is also looking for her and the mutagen she "stole", sending his mutant Komodo Dragon brother, King Komodo, into the sewers to find her. But Venus is no longer in the sewers, she has been found by Chung I, a tai chi instructor. He has taken her in and promised to train her in his arts, both so she can channel her newfound Chi powers, and control her desire for vengence. Sense she dose not remember her old name, he gives her the name Mei Pei Chi (meaning Beautiful Turtle Mind). After learning decent control of her power, she becomes frustrated with Chung for attempting to quell her nead for revenge and goes into the seweres to look for the turtles. They meet and fight, the Turtles realize Venus's chi powers are too dangerous and bait her back to the lair where Dr. Grey is, waiting for Donnie's retromutagen to finish brewing. When she gets there Venus recognizes her "mother's" voice and tearfully reunites, becoming receptive to the turtle's explained backtory. The Dragon Lord has bean observing these events however and seeing how powerful Venus has become, he comes up with a new stratagey. The lights in the turtle's lair go out, King Komodo's roar is heard, and when the lights come up, the four male turtles and Dr. Grey are gone.

      In the final of these episodes, Venus returns to Chung I to apologize and ask for help. She has received a telepathic messags from the Dragon Lord, ransoming her brothers and mother. Chung I tells her of the legend of the Dragons, who long ago held dominion over china, before a band of warriors hunted them to extinction. Before the final Dragon was killed, he emparted his essence into a pregnant village woman, causing her son to be born with Dragon esque featurs and powers. He laid waste to China, rulling with an iron fist. But as the generations moved on, and his Dragon bloodline was diluted with human DNA, his descendants lost power and were eventually overthown. Chung suspects John Kommodus to be the laest in this bloodline, and after hearing a description of the effects of Mutagen, they deduce that he wants to use a canister of ooze, enchanted with the essence of the dragon, to gain the power of his Dragon ancestors, and that canister was the one that Venus had been doused with. Venus invades the Dragon Lords stronghold, fighting Rank soldiers all the way, and finds the turtles and Dr. Grey attached to machinery. John Komodus explains that he no longer needs the mutagen in her blood, just the dragon magic she "stole". When questioned as to why, he siphons the mutagen from Perri Grey, returning her to human form, and causing John to become a humanoid dragon man, he intends to also drain the mutagen from the turtles. The two fight, and Venus exentually triumphs, using the retro-mutagen from donnie's lab to revert him to human and handing him an his Rank soldiers over to the police. Venus makes peice with her brothers, but tells them that she can't stay with them. She needs to forge her own path in life. So she has decided to go with Chung I to China to continue training. She says goodby to her family and walks off into the sunset.

      How's that for a storyline.

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    • Amazoman wrote:
      Master DA wrote:
      Gilgameshkun wrote:
      Actually, the fact that her name is "Venus" draws more attention to that. "Venus" is already a rather sexualized reference to begin with. "Donatello" is not.
      Like I said before, just because it was named after a god or goddess doesn't mean they have to live up to the name. I was just saying that as an example of what you said about her belt.
      Did you know, the names of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are not reflective of the personalities of the artists they are named after.

      Leonardo da Vinchi was the only of the 4 who was known as much for inventions as art. Donatello was arguably the leader, or certainly the initiator, of the 'Italian Renaissance' movement. Raphael was a "social butterfly." He was a fun-loving, hard-partying, and amiable guy who was said to have had many, many lovers. He may have even died of an STD. According to theory, Michelangelo had an introverted, temperamental, and brooding personality. Thus, if the male turtles don't live up to their names, then why should Venus. Plus, Venus de Milo was a nickname. Her real name was Mei Pei Chi, and this wiki has the translations of those names, and they are either empowering or statements of fact.

      Plus, if Bayonetta has taught me anything, female sexiness can be very empowering. Venus de Milo can have that name and still be an empowered female character, she just hasn't had that in the past. I think that that is why she needs a revival. I think she is a good idea that everyone hates because of botched execution. And there are plenty of other examples of that in TMNT history.

      That's exactly my point. Yes I know she had different names and her real name is Mei Pei Chi but just because she had a bad past that doesn't mean she should have a bad future.

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    • Amazoman wrote:
      Just as an example, here is a story i conceptualized for a 2012 show style introduction of Venus, and the story surrounding her. She was the turtle's sister from the pet store that Hamato Yoshi did not buy. Instead, she was bought by Dr. Perri Grey (from the archie comics), a veteranarian who gave her the name Venus de Milo. The turtles descover this and decide to have a family reunion of sorts, when Donatello gets an alert that Hun and the Purple Dragons are highjacking an armored car filled with Mutagen, and by sheer coincidence the car's rout will take it pass Dr. Grey's house. She takes Venus with her to observe from the shadows. The turtles battle Hun and his goons, knocking him into the cargo the Dragon's were atempting to steal, sending mutagen canisters everywhere (this accident also happend to mutate Hun into a turtle, but that's not important), including over Dr. Grey (who mutates into a Flying Squirrel she was caring for in her clinic) which causes her to drop Venus into the sewers, mutagen following. The Dragon's drive the unconsious mutant Hun away, the turtles tend to Perri Grey, and Venus mutates into humanoid form in the sewers, thinking that her "mother" was killed in the accident, and blaming the turtles for it (Like what happened to Slash, the mutagen messed with her mind). The episode ends with John Kommodus, CEO of Go-Kommodo Sports Manufacturing, and self-proclaimed Dragon Lord, is informed by one of his Rank that his mutagen was hijacked and that the entire payload was lost, including the "Special" cannister. We then cut to Venus in the sewers again, where she begins to glow with chi energy.

      In the next episode of this mini-series, the Turtles begin looking for Venus in the sewers, but the Dragon Lord is also looking for her and the mutagen she "stole", sending his mutant Komodo Dragon brother, King Komodo, into the sewers to find her. But Venus is no longer in the sewers, she has been found by Chung I, a tai chi instructor. He has taken her in and promised to train her in his arts, both so she can channel her newfound Chi powers, and control her desire for vengence. Sense she dose not remember her old name, he gives her the name Mei Pei Chi (meaning Beautiful Turtle Mind). After learning decent control of her power, she becomes frustrated with Chung for attempting to quell her nead for revenge and goes into the seweres to look for the turtles. They meet and fight, the Turtles realize Venus's chi powers are too dangerous and bait her back to the lair where Dr. Grey is, waiting for Donnie's retromutagen to finish brewing. When she gets there Venus recognizes her "mother's" voice and tearfully reunites, becoming receptive to the turtle's explained backtory. The Dragon Lord has bean observing these events however and seeing how powerful Venus has become, he comes up with a new stratagey. The lights in the turtle's lair go out, King Komodo's roar is heard, and when the lights come up, the four male turtles and Dr. Grey are gone.

      In the final of these episodes, Venus returns to Chung I to apologize and ask for help. She has received a telepathic messags from the Dragon Lord, ransoming her brothers and mother. Chung I tells her of the legend of the Dragons, who long ago held dominion over china, before a band of warriors hunted them to extinction. Before the final Dragon was killed, he emparted his essence into a pregnant village woman, causing her son to be born with Dragon esque featurs and powers. He laid waste to China, rulling with an iron fist. But as the generations moved on, and his Dragon bloodline was diluted with human DNA, his descendants lost power and were eventually overthown. Chung suspects John Kommodus to be the laest in this bloodline, and after hearing a description of the effects of Mutagen, they deduce that he wants to use a canister of ooze, enchanted with the essence of the dragon, to gain the power of his Dragon ancestors, and that canister was the one that Venus had been doused with. Venus invades the Dragon Lords stronghold, fighting Rank soldiers all the way, and finds the turtles and Dr. Grey attached to machinery. John Komodus explains that he no longer needs the mutagen in her blood, just the dragon magic she "stole". When questioned as to why, he siphons the mutagen from Perri Grey, returning her to human form, and causing John to become a humanoid dragon man, he intends to also drain the mutagen from the turtles. The two fight, and Venus exentually triumphs, using the retro-mutagen from donnie's lab to revert him to human and handing him an his Rank soldiers over to the police. Venus makes peice with her brothers, but tells them that she can't stay with them. She needs to forge her own path in life. So she has decided to go with Chung I to China to continue training. She says goodby to her family and walks off into the sunset.

      How's that for a storyline.

      Pretty good. I had a similar idea to that with a fan made third sequel to the live TMNT Movies.

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    • Master DA wrote:
      (If you're too inmature then don't answer. I will not answer to childish remarks and please be respectable with good criticism when or if you answer. All opinions are welcomed just be thoughtful about it and this is my opinion so don't get your panties in a twist.)

      I know what you are thinking right now when you saw this title. You're thinking she should stay dead and never reappear on T.V. or any movies. Now I know she wasn't recieved well because of her bad puns, terrible jokes and too many references for her character but by now I think her hatred have taken a bit too far now. For gods sake there's a petition to keep her off T.V. which is a complete waste of time and jus flat out stupid. I have no problem of adding female members to teams like this like April and Kirai (Sometimes Mona Lisa) but people wouldn't give her a chance now because of the things that happened during her appearances.

      I think she deserves a second chance because this hatred has gone long enough now plus it could go better if she was rewritten and redeveloped she would at least be more approachable. Then she would have a better chance of coming back to the screens. The TMNT 2012 show is out because she already made her cameo in there but the Michael Bay TMNT Movies might make it possible so why not; same goes for Mona Lisa.

      All I'm saying is let's be a little bit more open minded about her because I know she can be redeemed and hopefully make her a better character.

      I'd imagine that Venus is found the same way as the Turtles, but in a different environment. She should also have aliies of her own; a caretaker and a scientist like April and Donnie, a martial arts teacher like Leo, and a street vigilante like Raph and Casey.

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    • Desireepurnellsandi wrote:
      Master DA wrote:
      (If you're too inmature then don't answer. I will not answer to childish remarks and please be respectable with good criticism when or if you answer. All opinions are welcomed just be thoughtful about it and this is my opinion so don't get your panties in a twist.)I know what you are thinking right now when you saw this title. You're thinking she should stay dead and never reappear on T.V. or any movies. Now I know she wasn't recieved well because of her bad puns, terrible jokes and too many references for her character but by now I think her hatred have taken a bit too far now. For gods sake there's a petition to keep her off T.V. which is a complete waste of time and jus flat out stupid. I have no problem of adding female members to teams like this like April and Kirai (Sometimes Mona Lisa) but people wouldn't give her a chance now because of the things that happened during her appearances.

      I think she deserves a second chance because this hatred has gone long enough now plus it could go better if she was rewritten and redeveloped she would at least be more approachable. Then she would have a better chance of coming back to the screens. The TMNT 2012 show is out because she already made her cameo in there but the Michael Bay TMNT Movies might make it possible so why not; same goes for Mona Lisa.

      All I'm saying is let's be a little bit more open minded about her because I know she can be redeemed and hopefully make her a better character.

      I'd imagine that Venus is found the same way as the Turtles, but in a different environment. She should also have aliies of her own; a caretaker and a scientist like April and Donnie, a martial arts teacher like Leo, and a street vigilante like Raph and Casey.

      Yes I thought she would also. Would be very interesting to have her own caretakers.

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    • Master DA wrote:
      (If you're too inmature then don't answer. I will not answer to childish remarks and please be respectable with good criticism when or if you answer. All opinions are welcomed just be thoughtful about it and this is my opinion so don't get your panties in a twist.)

      I know what you are thinking right now when you saw this title. You're thinking she should stay dead and never reappear on T.V. or any movies. Now I know she wasn't recieved well because of her bad puns, terrible jokes and too many references for her character but by now I think her hatred have taken a bit too far now. For gods sake there's a petition to keep her off T.V. which is a complete waste of time and jus flat out stupid. I have no problem of adding female members to teams like this like April and Kirai (Sometimes Mona Lisa) but people wouldn't give her a chance now because of the things that happened during her appearances.

      I think she deserves a second chance because this hatred has gone long enough now plus it could go better if she was rewritten and redeveloped she would at least be more approachable. Then she would have a better chance of coming back to the screens. The TMNT 2012 show is out because she already made her cameo in there but the Michael Bay TMNT Movies might make it possible so why not; same goes for Mona Lisa.

      All I'm saying is let's be a little bit more open minded about her because I know she can be redeemed and hopefully make her a better character.

      Honestly, I've never watched The Next Mutation (neither the anime nor the Christmas special of the 90s) and I've heard so many indictments for her,but... this-this broke my heart:

      Born A Stranger

      Born a stranger

      by Momo-no-Ji

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    • Angel Bridge wrote:
      Master DA wrote:
      (If you're too inmature then don't answer. I will not answer to childish remarks and please be respectable with good criticism when or if you answer. All opinions are welcomed just be thoughtful about it and this is my opinion so don't get your panties in a twist.)I know what you are thinking right now when you saw this title. You're thinking she should stay dead and never reappear on T.V. or any movies. Now I know she wasn't recieved well because of her bad puns, terrible jokes and too many references for her character but by now I think her hatred have taken a bit too far now. For gods sake there's a petition to keep her off T.V. which is a complete waste of time and jus flat out stupid. I have no problem of adding female members to teams like this like April and Kirai (Sometimes Mona Lisa) but people wouldn't give her a chance now because of the things that happened during her appearances.

      I think she deserves a second chance because this hatred has gone long enough now plus it could go better if she was rewritten and redeveloped she would at least be more approachable. Then she would have a better chance of coming back to the screens. The TMNT 2012 show is out because she already made her cameo in there but the Michael Bay TMNT Movies might make it possible so why not; same goes for Mona Lisa.

      All I'm saying is let's be a little bit more open minded about her because I know she can be redeemed and hopefully make her a better character.

      Honestly, I've never watched The Next Mutation (neither the anime nor the Christmas special of the 90s) and I've heard so many indictments for her,but... this-this broke my heart:
      Born A Stranger

      Born a stranger

      by Momo-no-Ji

      It's because people don't respect her just because how she was handled back in the 90's. 

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    • Gilgameshkun wrote: The problem is, Venus may be very difficult to rehabilitate for a long time to come. Even when the 2012 TV series referenced her, how did they do it? As a pinup figure painted on the side of a van. To remind audiences, once again, that this is her primary reason for existence, and turn what had been one bad portrayal into a recurring pattern. It's not simply enough to reboot her—one has to completely and successfully reverse the reputation she has accumulated. She has to be a well-rounded character and completely divorced from the legacy of her character design.

      Thing is, a design like Artemisia already fits that bill nicely, and she has none of Venus's baggage, and doesn't have the name that conjures all the wrong associations in the TMNT mythos. But take a character like Artemisia and rename her "Venus," and suddenly every mention of her name becomes its own unhelpful disruption, making it all the harder to take her seriously or change what audiences expect from her. Because it was never that Venus is a woman that makes her a bad idea. It's that she's always been one of the most sexist, unflattering ways to portray a woman that makes her a bad idea. It would take nothing short of an ingenious miracle to overcome this obstacle in any reboot of her character template.

      You do know most of the fanbase is gonna be that anyways. It wont matter as long as they don't take it too far.

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      Angel Bridge wrote:
      Master DA wrote:
      (If you're too inmature then don't answer. I will not answer to childish remarks and please be respectable with good criticism when or if you answer. All opinions are welcomed just be thoughtful about it and this is my opinion so don't get your panties in a twist.)I know what you are thinking right now when you saw this title. You're thinking she should stay dead and never reappear on T.V. or any movies. Now I know she wasn't recieved well because of her bad puns, terrible jokes and too many references for her character but by now I think her hatred have taken a bit too far now. For gods sake there's a petition to keep her off T.V. which is a complete waste of time and jus flat out stupid. I have no problem of adding female members to teams like this like April and Kirai (Sometimes Mona Lisa) but people wouldn't give her a chance now because of the things that happened during her appearances.

      I think she deserves a second chance because this hatred has gone long enough now plus it could go better if she was rewritten and redeveloped she would at least be more approachable. Then she would have a better chance of coming back to the screens. The TMNT 2012 show is out because she already made her cameo in there but the Michael Bay TMNT Movies might make it possible so why not; same goes for Mona Lisa.

      All I'm saying is let's be a little bit more open minded about her because I know she can be redeemed and hopefully make her a better character.

      Honestly, I've never watched The Next Mutation (neither the anime nor the Christmas special of the 90s) and I've heard so many indictments for her,but... this-this broke my heart:
      Born A Stranger

      Born a stranger

      by Momo-no-Ji

      It's because people don't respect her just because how she was handled back in the 90's. 

      I don't think so, but I agree with the last thing you said.

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    • Angel Bridge wrote:
      Master DA wrote:
      Angel Bridge wrote:
      Master DA wrote:
      (If you're too inmature then don't answer. I will not answer to childish remarks and please be respectable with good criticism when or if you answer. All opinions are welcomed just be thoughtful about it and this is my opinion so don't get your panties in a twist.)I know what you are thinking right now when you saw this title. You're thinking she should stay dead and never reappear on T.V. or any movies. Now I know she wasn't recieved well because of her bad puns, terrible jokes and too many references for her character but by now I think her hatred have taken a bit too far now. For gods sake there's a petition to keep her off T.V. which is a complete waste of time and jus flat out stupid. I have no problem of adding female members to teams like this like April and Kirai (Sometimes Mona Lisa) but people wouldn't give her a chance now because of the things that happened during her appearances.

      I think she deserves a second chance because this hatred has gone long enough now plus it could go better if she was rewritten and redeveloped she would at least be more approachable. Then she would have a better chance of coming back to the screens. The TMNT 2012 show is out because she already made her cameo in there but the Michael Bay TMNT Movies might make it possible so why not; same goes for Mona Lisa.

      All I'm saying is let's be a little bit more open minded about her because I know she can be redeemed and hopefully make her a better character.

      Honestly, I've never watched The Next Mutation (neither the anime nor the Christmas special of the 90s) and I've heard so many indictments for her,but... this-this broke my heart:
      Born A Stranger

      Born a stranger

      by Momo-no-Ji

      It's because people don't respect her just because how she was handled back in the 90's. 
      I don't think so, but I agree with the last thing you said.


      Exactly but I just don't think people should still hold this grudge because of it. 

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